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|  |  |  | |  |  |  | Posted: | May 5, 2011-11:19 AM | | | By: | Avatarded(Member) | I have to say that I happen to know a pretty big amount of repertoire and so I happen to be pretty much aware of the amount and extent, and I think it is not exaggerated. It is inexusable.  But I'll stop that, I just get upset about the fact that some guys just get honors others should get because it is not possible to shield mind achievments... Yeah you and many others here buddy. If you like beating that horse every chance you get, well whatever makes you happy. Some of us fans aren't nearly as stupid / ignorant as you probably think we are. -The more intense "Bad Dreams" (with 'screaming' brass) -Combat Drop (both versions) -FaceHuggers -Futile Escape (second half) -Queen to Bishop (love that title) I want to mention something about "Ripley's Rescue that I don't think many people have noticed: The "Deluxe Edition" version of this cue is unlistenable for me because the album's producers / mixers decided to play around with the percussion, I suspect doubling the snare drums by overlaying the "percussion only" version over the orchestral cue, and completely ruined the detail in the snare drum hits. Listen to the original 1987 Varese release of the same cue, and you'll notice it's as clear as it is in the film. Then listen to the 2001 Deluxe version and you'll hear what I mean. The individual drum hits become drum rolls in the deluxe version because of the revised mixing. It was a poor change for this listener, so I took the original Varese cue and put it into the Deluxe album's playlist. Even bumped up the percussion with an audio editor and it's just as good as the Deluxe in terms of the added volume to the cue thanks to the added percussion overlay - Deluxe sounds louder as a result but at a negative price. 
| | | | | | |  |  |  | Posted: | May 5, 2011-4:28 PM | | | By: | Mike West(Member) |
 But I'll stop that, I just get upset about the fact that some guys just get honors others should get because it is not possible to shield mind achievments... Yeah you and many others here buddy. If you like beating that horse every chance you get, well whatever makes you happy. Some of us fans aren't nearly as stupid / ignorant as you probably think we are. well, I think noone said that something about others being stupid or ignorant. And I don't want to spoil your enjoyment with whatever music you like to hear, surely not. But speaking of the objective matters at hand, you confound means with ends: I am not beating the horse. I am observing that someone does that time and time again. And noone is there to shield the ideas of that horses called Britten, Fauré, Orff, Wagner ... Enjoy the music by all means, but stand to hear from some guys having musical expertice that the ideas are far from being original and are obviously taken deliberately. So rock on and enjoy that music by Britten, Fauré, Orff, Wagner...! 
| | | | | | |  |  |  | Posted: | May 5, 2011-4:45 PM | | | By: | Avatarded(Member) |
"Buddy", I think noone said that something about others being stupid or ignorant. And I don't want to spoil your enjoyment with whatever music you like to hear. But speaking of the objective matters at hand, you confound means with ends. I am not beating the horse. I am observing that someone does that time and time again. And noone is there to shield the ideas of that horses called Britten, Fauré, Orff, Wagner ... Enjoy the music by all means, but stand to hear from some guys having musical expertice that the ideas are far from being original and are obviously taken deliberately So rock on and enjoy that music by Britten, Fauré, Orff, Wagner...! Which we know all too well and yet the relentless need to shove it in everyone's face as if it's some kind of earth-shattering revelation persists. As for being stupid / ignorant, come on....you have to start by saying you have "musical expertise", which implies that anyone who enjoys Horner's music must NOT have expertise (or even basic knowledge) and just assume they don't know anything, inspirations, homages, quotes, whatever the cases might be. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to enjoy it if they knew "the truth" right? Sounds like dead-horse beating to me, in fact it became something of a joke that Thor 'retired' this "beat a dead horse" animated gif he often posted whenever this came up. 
| | | | | | | | | | | | |  |  |  | Posted: | May 5, 2011-5:01 PM | | | By: | Mike West(Member) | Which we know all too well and yet the relentless need to shove it in everyone's face as if it's some kind of earth-shattering revelation persists. As for being stupid / ignorant, come on....you have to start by saying you have "musical expertise", which implies that anyone who enjoys Horner's music must NOT have expertise (or even basic knowledge) and just assume they don't know anything, inspirations, homages, quotes, whatever the cases might be. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to enjoy it if they knew "the truth" right? Sounds like dead-horse beating to me, in fact it became something of a joke that Thor 'retired' this "beat a dead horse" animated gif he often posted whenever this came up. Enjoy it by all means, go ahead! What you probably don't understand: it is not about being inspired by, about an homage or an quote. It is about taking something an idea from somebody else and claim it is your own. Imagine you are reading a great and popular novel, and some years after that you notice someone wrote a novel before that which actually features the same characters, the same plot and subplots etc. It is obvious that the second authour knew the original novel and was inspired by the original novel. Of course you remember your enthusiasm reading the novel at first and you still like it. And now imagine someone writes a third novel using exactly the same chapters as the original novel in the same order, using the same paragraphs, the same sentences, just changing a word here and there. I think it is easy to understand that that would be kind of unfair, isn't it? Rnjoy the music. But don't call me someone thinking of others being ignorant which is insulting me. 
| | | |  |  |  | Posted: | May 5, 2011-5:17 PM | | | By: | DeputyRiley(Member) | Mike West: Okay. We get it. You've made your point. Please stop now. ----- "Going After Newt" is my pick for greatest action cue in the score. I love how the music builds and rises with fevered intensity at the end of the cue and, in the movie, as the elevator doors open, the music stops and there's this really cool, tense stillness and quiet. Excellent use of score and visuals, contrasting the full-blast action music with sudden musical silence. 
| | | |  |  |  | Posted: | May 5, 2011-5:30 PM | | | By: | Mike West(Member) | Mike West: Okay. We get it. You've made your point. Please stop now. Deputy: Okay. I got it. Don't worry. Please, you are welcome. Sorry to obviously spoil the thread for some guys, but I think also your reaction appears to be quite inappropriate. But no problem. Horner did also really compose great music, that's for sure. [EDIT: One last word to why I think your reaction is inappropriate, Deputy. It was not me who insulted someone by presuming things that have not been said, turning the words around and directly insulting, as you can read in the above posts] 
| | | | | | | | | |  |  |  | Posted: | May 5, 2011-7:50 PM | | | By: | KevinSmith(Member) | Hyperspace one of the best minute and a half piece IMO. Don't know if there is a predecessor for that, so for me so far this is one of the most original 1 1/2 minute of music Horner ever wrote I think it's an re-arrangement of the Gayanneh ballet just on french horns. It took me a while to realize what Horner did. But it's still good stuff. 
| | | |  |  |  | Posted: | May 5, 2011-7:56 PM | | | By: | KevinSmith(Member) | Mike West: Okay. We get it. You've made your point. Please stop now. ----- "Going After Newt" is my pick for greatest action cue in the score. I love how the music builds and rises with fevered intensity at the end of the cue and, in the movie, as the elevator doors open, the music stops and there's this really cool, tense stillness and quiet. Excellent use of score and visuals, contrasting the full-blast action music with sudden musical silence. If you watch the movie, the film cue is much slower. 
| | | |  |  |  | Posted: | May 5, 2011-8:19 PM | | | By: | KevinSmith(Member) | I have to say that I happen to know a pretty big amount of repertoire and so I happen to be pretty much aware of the amount and extent, and I think it is not exaggerated. It is inexusable.  But I'll stop that, I just get upset about the fact that some guys just get honors others should get because it is not possible to shield mind achievments... Yeah you and many others here buddy. If you like beating that horse every chance you get, well whatever makes you happy. Some of us fans aren't nearly as stupid / ignorant as you probably think we are. -The more intense "Bad Dreams" (with 'screaming' brass) -Combat Drop (both versions) -FaceHuggers -Futile Escape (second half) -Queen to Bishop (love that title) I want to mention something about "Ripley's Rescue that I don't think many people have noticed: The "Deluxe Edition" version of this cue is unlistenable for me because the album's producers / mixers decided to play around with the percussion, I suspect doubling the snare drums by overlaying the "percussion only" version over the orchestral cue, and completely ruined the detail in the snare drum hits. Listen to the original 1987 Varese release of the same cue, and you'll notice it's as clear as it is in the film. Then listen to the 2001 Deluxe version and you'll hear what I mean. The individual drum hits become drum rolls in the deluxe version because of the revised mixing. It was a poor change for this listener, so I took the original Varese cue and put it into the Deluxe album's playlist. Even bumped up the percussion with an audio editor and it's just as good as the Deluxe in terms of the added volume to the cue thanks to the added percussion overlay - Deluxe sounds louder as a result but at a negative price. In Combat Drop, around the 1 minute mark, the woodwinds play under the strings. Am I right to think that they are; clarinet, saxophone, maybe a high bassoon? 
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